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I’m wanting to take my baby on a flight.
Currently the baby is only one month old.
I understand that that is too young to take on a flight
and I want to understand what would be a good time
to take the baby on a flight
going from Oslo to the UK with Ryan Air.
What would I need to bear in mind to make this happen?
When could I do it from a safety point of view?
What are the guidance around that?
What do I need to bring on the flight?
Do I need to get a passport and visa sorted out for this baby?
Is there anything else that I need to think about
if we were to do a flight to the UK from Oslo
and obviously coming back as well?
What do you say to that, Grock?
We’re talking a short hop so it’ll be straightforward.
Safety timing, when’s it okay?
From a health standpoint, most experts say
wait till your baby is at least 7-8 days old
for any flightier pressure and germs are the big risks.
But honestly, for a healthy full term bub,
two to three months is ideal.
Their immune system is stronger and they’re less fragile.
At one month, it’s doable if your pediatrician greenlights it.
Chat with them first, especially if there’s any prematurity
or health stuff.
Ryanair won’t let infants under 8 days bored,
but you’re good after that.
For the return, same rules apply, no extra worries.
What to pack for the flight?
Keep it light.
Focus on a diaper bag that fits under the seat.
Essentials for a one month old.
Three to five diapers, wipes and diaper cream.
Plus a changing pad.
Two to three changes of clothes.
Onesies are spill magnets.
Bottles, formula, breast pump stuff.
Enough for the flight plus delays.
Liquids over 100 milliliters?
Declare them at security.
They allow baby food, milk.
Burp cloths, muslin blanket, pacifier if they use one.
Meds like infant paracetamol, check dosage,
nasal aspirator for congestion,
proof of age, birth cert for check-in.
Pro tip, nurse or bottle feed during take off landing
to help their ears pop and bring a baby carrier
way easier than wrestling a stroller through Oslo Airport.
Passport and visa stuff.
Yep, your little one’s going to need their own passport.
No shortcuts, even for infants.
As a Norwegian citizen, assuming,
apply at your local police station or online via UDI.
Takes about two, three weeks.
Costs around 300 to 500 Naki.
And you’ll need photos.
They do them there sometimes.
Wait till eight weeks if you can.
It’s smoother.
No visa needed for UK entry.
It’s visa free for Norwegians up to six months.
But from April 2025,
everyone, including Bubs,
needs an electronic travel of authorization, ETA.
It’s 10 pounds online, super quick.
Apply via the UK Gov site before you go.
Same for the return to Norway.
No ETA there.
Other bits to think about.
Booking.
Add the infant as a lap child when you book.
It’s 25 euros each way, no seat.
One adult per bub and you’re over 18.
Airline perks.
Ryanair’s basic.
So no bassinet.
They don’t have them.
But you can gate check a stroller car seat for free.
Pick seats near the front for quicker off-boarding.
Airports.
Oslo’s family friendly.
Family lanes at security.
UK side.
Say, Stanstedt or Gatwick.
Same deal.
Factor in extra time for baby checks.
Health.
Backup.
Get travel insurance covering medical.
Evac.
Kids are pricey.
And split stuff between bags in case one gets lost.
Round trip.
Nothing special.
Symmetrical rules.
Just double check flight times.
Short flights mean less fuss.
If your doc says wait a bit, maybe drive or train it.
But if you’re sent, it’ll be fine.
Millions do this.
What’s the UK spot you’re heading to?
Hit me if you need more deets.
Yes.
So that’s very interesting.
As a…
So my partner is a Norwegian citizen.
I’m a UK citizen and an Australian citizen.
So if we were to go to the UK,
what would be the issues with say if there was a health issue
when we were in the UK,
would she be covered because I’m a British citizen
or would we need to get health insurance?
Ah, gotcha.
Post-Brexit twists make this a bit tricky,
but it’s manageable.
Since your partner is Norwegian and you’re dual UK Oz,
the key is there and the babies status as non-UK citizens visiting.
I’ll focus on health coverage for them,
assuming you’re all traveling together short term under six months.
Health coverage in the UK.
Your UK citizenship doesn’t automatically extend full NHS access
to your partner or baby.
They’re treated as visitors.
Good news.
As a Norwegian citizen,
your partner can get medically necessary treatment on the NHS,
like emergencies or urgent care for free or at reduced cost,
just by showing a valid Norwegian passport at the hospital or GP.
This covers stuff like A&E visits or infections,
but not planned treatments, dental or prescriptions.
Those might cost full whack.
For the baby, same deal if they’re on a Norwegian passport.
Docs will treat them as an extension of the family,
but it’s not ironclad for non-emergencies.
That said, it’s not foolproof.
Gaps exist.
Like if it’s not necessary or admin hiccups.
Bottom line.
Get travel insurance anyway.
It’s cheap under 50 pounds for a family trip
and covers everything.
Full medical, evacuations,
even baby specific stuff like specialist care.
Providers like Allianz or World Nomads
let you add it online.
Pick one with 5 million plus coverage
and Norway UK validity.
As an Oz citizen,
you might already have reciprocal health perks,
but don’t rely on that for them.
Quick tieback on the baby’s ETA.
While we’re here, yep,
even your one month old needs their own
electronic travel authorization.
ETA for the UK entry starting January 2025.
It’s 10 pounds per person, including infants,
applied online via the UK Gov app site.
You can do it for the bub on their behalf.
Links to the passport takes minutes,
valid for two years, no biggie,
but sort it with the passport.
Anything else popping up like specific insurance recs
I’m a little bit confused about this visa for the UK.
I thought you said that it doesn’t matter
until she’s six months old.
And I also thought that it was coming in midway
through next year.
Isn’t that what you said before?
No worries, I can see where the mix-up happened.
Let me clear it right up,
based on the latest UK Gov roll-out.
The six month bid is about how long
the ETA lets you stay in the UK per visit,
up to six months for tourism or short trips.
It’s not an age thing for the baby.
Every traveler needs one, even tiny infants,
no exceptions.
On timing, I goofed a tad earlier.
The full ETA scheme for Europeans,
like Norwegians, kicks in April 2, 2025,
not January.
Before that, Norwegian citizens and your bub
on their passport can enter
visa-free with just a passport.
You can apply for ETA starting now
via the UK ETA app or Gov site.
It’s 10 pounds each, quick online process,
and valid for two years or until passport expiry.
So for your trip, if you’re flying before April,
skip the ETA hassle.
After, sort it for everyone, including the little one.
You apply on their behalf. Easy peasy.
Anything else fuzzy?
Yeah, so because I’m an Australian
and a UK citizen, how would I go about
getting her passports for Australia
and the UK as well?
And do I, yeah, what would I need to do?
Actually, no, sorry. Yeah, well, yeah,
I’ll answer that question.
Ah, gotcha.
Mix up on the pronouns,
but I think you mean getting passports for the baby.
It’s on your dual citizenship, UK Oz,
so they can travel as an Ozzy or Brit too.
Since the bubs born in Norway
to a Norwegian mum,
they’ll get Norwegian citizenship automatically,
but you can claim yours for them.
If you’re not instant,
both need a citizenship registration first,
then the passport.
Here’s the quick rundown, step by step,
based on current GOV rules as of late 2025.
For Australian citizenship and passport,
your kid qualifies for Ozzy citizenship by descent,
since you’re a citizen, assuming not by descent
without the two-year residency rule.
Check that if it applies.
No age limit, but do it early.
One, apply for citizenship by descent,
online via the Department of Home Affairs site,
dot home affairs dot GOV dot AU.
You’ll need
baby’s full birth certificate from Norway,
get an apostol if needed,
your Australian passport citizenship proof,
parents’ marriage cert, if applicable,
two passport photos of the bub,
fee about AUD 345 pounds,
takes three to six months,
they send a citizenship certificate.
Two, then the passport,
once certified, apply online,
or at an Oz Embassy consulate,
AUG and Oslo.
Same docs plus the cert,
fee AUD 100 for a five-year child passport,
processing two to six weeks.
Pro tip, if you’re heading to Oz soon,
the Embassy in Oslo can fast-track
for travel, for British citizenship
and passport.
Similar deal, your child gets UK citizenship
by descent as your kid,
born abroad to a British parent.
Again, not automatic,
but straightforward.
One, register the birth and claim citizenship.
First, register the birth with the UK gov,
via the British Embassy in Oslo,
online form at gov.uk,
then apply for a consular birth registration,
which bundles citizenship.
Docs, Norwegian birth cert,
translated to English,
your UK passport birth cert,
parents’ marriage cert,
two baby photos,
fee 103 pounds for registration,
plus 80 pounds 50 for the citizenship cert,
takes three to 12 weeks.
Two, then the passport,
use the citizenship proof
to apply online at gov.uk
or post,
fee 57 pounds 50 for a child
passport under 16.
Processing, up to three weeks standard,
one week premium.
Quick compare, country per step,
key docs, fee total
est, fee total est,
time plus the cert,
plus one plus one.
Australia, citizenship by descent,
app, birth cert, your passport,
photos, AUD 500 ish,
three to six months,
plus two to six week passport.
UK, consular birth reg,
plus citizenship,
birth cert, translated,
your UK docs, photos,
180 pounds ish,
three to 12 weeks, plus one to three week passport.
Start with the Norwegian passport
for immediate travel, as we chatted.
Then layer these on.
Prioritize based on where you’re going next.
If you’re not by descent yourself,
go to UK, born in Aus, UK.
It’s smoother. Grab translations,
notarizations early to avoid delays.
Embassy contacts,
Aus and Oslo, 02888
UK,
2203100.
What’s the timeline you’re eyeing?
That sounds good.
I just have one other question.
With the getting a passport in Norway,
how long is that likely to take
after we put in the application?
Oh, yeah.
For a Norwegian passport,
especially for a newborn,
you got to book an in-person appointment
at your local police station or embassy,
like in Oslo.
Once you’re there, with the docs and photos,
processing usually takes about seven to eight weeks.
That’s printing and mailing it out.
For infants, it’s the same as adults,
no special delays,
but booked soon because slots can fill up.
If you’re in a rush,
they sometimes do express for extra fee,
but standards fine for most.
Ring the station to confirm your area’s weight.
Easy, right?
Okay, all right.
So I guess we’ll have to get on to that.
So I think that’s concluded everything.
I’ve got everything in the chat there.
So thanks very much,
Grock,
and I think I’ve got a plan.
So thanks for that.
No worries, Paul.
Sounds like you’ve got it sorted.
Happy flying and give that little one a squeeze for me.
Anytime.
Okay, I think I’ve got some work to do.
Goodbye.
See you next time.
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