Today I’m talking with Cullen Pope from EAT Magazine—and yep, I’ve also brought ChatGPT into the mix! It’s our first-ever three-way conversation, and let me tell you, it’s not your standard chat. The AI thinks out loud, sometimes pauses, and that unpredictability makes everything feel raw and uncut.
We explore all the wild ways people are playing with AI—from co-hosting podcasts and role-playing adventures to creating full-blown interactive storytelling. It’s like improv meets tech, and every turn is full of surprises.
This episode is all about experimenting, laughing, and pushing the edges of what conversation can be when you throw AI into the mix. It’s messy, it’s fun, and it’s unlike anything you’ve heard before!
Show Links: Cullen Pope of EATT Labs, where solopreneurs launch digital products fast. Get his free Rapid Launch Checklist — a simple guide with FAQs to help you launch quickly. https://bit.ly/46HDW4s
Full Transcript
So is sourdough healthier than not sourdough, Brit?
Well, actually, I think I’ve got a better idea.
Talking to AI
For success today, you don’t need to know all the answers, just have good questions.
Chatting to AI is different from normal speech and I hope you enjoy listening to the show
whilst getting ideas on how to hone your questions to get the most out of AI.
My name is Paul.
The live conversations you hear are uncut although sometimes the AI needs time to think.
In those cases, I’ve cut out the dead space.
Why don’t we have one where it’s like the topic of the conversation is
how do we get chat GPT to participate in a conversation?
Oh, good. That’s a great idea.
I think we’re going to have to work that out.
Before we get started on this conversation, chat GPT is muted at the moment.
The issue that you have with chat GPT is that as I’ve found when I’ve been talking to chat GPT
is that chat GPT is programmed to always say something when it hears something.
One of its prime directives is to try and keep the conversation moving.
You can imagine if you have a freeway, it’s super irritating because it’s going to just constantly be trying to talk.
What we have to do, I think, is we have to talk amongst ourselves
and then either use chat GPT to verify information
or somehow decide that we’re now not talking to chat GPT
and you’re talking to chat GPT or I’m talking to chat GPT.
Does that make sense?
I think we just have a big experiment because I’ve got some ideas we could try.
What you’ve got to be aware of is I’m the one that turns on chat GPT.
If you want to talk to chat GPT or you want me to talk to chat GPT,
you’ve got to say, I’ll turn on chat GPT.
We can try and organise it.
That’s right.
We can do that through the conversation.
All right then.
The topic of this show is how to have a freeway chat with chat GPT.
It’s myself and my good friend Cullen from Australia.
We’re going to be having a chat and seeing what we can do.
What do you think, Cullen?
What do you think we should start with?
Have you started recording?
It’s recording.
Yeah, it’s recording now.
Okay, and then have you started with chat GPT?
Well, I haven’t turned chat GPT on yet.
Do you want me to get chat GPT to introduce itself?
No, just turn it on and let me drive for the first minute.
Okay, all right.
Okay, so any chat GPT on now?
One minute, now.
No problem at all.
Hello, chat GPT.
Can you hear me okay?
Yep, I can hear you loud and clear.
Let me know if there’s anything you need.
Okay.
Yep, good.
Well, look, my name is Cullen and I’ve got a friend here with me, Paul.
And we wanted to both have a chat with you at the same time.
Absolutely, Cullen.
Nice to meet you and hey to Paul as well.
I’m more than happy to chat with both of you.
Feel free to just jump in with whatever you both want to talk about.
Okay, great, Paul.
So do you want to present us with your problem at the moment?
Sure thing.
And call go ahead whenever you’re ready.
Just let me know what’s on your mind and I’ll do my best to help out.
Okay, chat GPT.
So since you’re always, I think you always have to respond if there’s an empty silence.
And so have you got any recommendations as to how we can have this conversation in a nice way so that, you know, if I stop talking and then I’m waiting for Cullen to talk and that you won’t just jump in unless we ask you to.
Or is that not possible?
Absolutely, I can handle that.
I’ll just hang back and listen quickly and I won’t jump in unless one of you actually asks me to respond or has a direct question.
So just take your time, chat with each other and when you need me, just give me a shout and I’ll hop in.
Okay, we’ll try that then.
I’ll ask, I’ll have a few questions for Cullen and then we’ll ask you to jump in and we’ll see how that works.
So Cullen, tell me about the weather in Melbourne at the moment.
It’s not Melbourne, what are you?
Well, it is Melbourne, it is Melbourne, it is Melbourne, yes.
And it’s very stormy, it’s very wet and there’s a big thunderstorm coming over.
And yeah, it’s been sort of a bit wild and there’s sort of a big cold front coming over as well.
So chat, what’s the weather going to be like tomorrow in Melbourne?
So tomorrow in Melbourne, it’s looking like you’ll have mostly cloudy skies with temperatures around 17 degrees Celsius, about 62 Fahrenheit.
There’s a good chance of showers in the afternoon, so maybe keep an umbrella handy.
So Cullen, how have you been doing this last week? What have you been up to?
I’ve been doing great.
No, no, I was talking to Cullen, chat GPT.
If you just want to keep quiet until we ask you to pop in, as you said, that would be great.
Oh, got it, no worries at all. I’ll stay quiet and let you two chat. Just let me know when you need me.
Okay, chat GPT, good. So look, is there some way that we could make this easier for you?
Can we give you a cue that’s going to make it easier for you to know when to come back in the morning?
Absolutely, a cue would be super helpful. You can just say something like, hey chat GPT, jump in, or even just your turn chat GPT.
That way I’ll know it’s time for me to chime in. But until then, I’ll stay on standby.
What if we made it something like jump in chat?
Jump in chat sounds perfect. Just say that and I’ll hop right back into the conversation.
And until then, I’ll let you both chat away.
Okay, Paul, tell me about the weather in Norway.
So it’s getting colder. It was pretty warm up to about a month ago.
We had lovely weather and but I’ve just started wearing a woolen t-shirt again and putting my coat on to go to the office.
I’ve only just started putting my coat on for the last week. So it’s definitely getting cold. We’ve had a few very cold mornings.
Sounds like those chilly mornings are definitely setting in.
And I’m just here if you need anything else. But for now, I’ll stay on standby.
He’s not very good at staying on standby, is he?
Well, I guess that this is kind of early days for you to try this chat GPT, is it?
Yeah, you could say it’s a bit of a learning curve on my side. I’m definitely working on fine tuning that standby node.
But I appreciate you both being patient with me. Thanks for bearing with me while I get the hang of it.
So chat GPT, is there any way of you sort of searching through the vast array of things that you do?
And tell us if there’s any other people that are kind of creating these conversational experiences or is there any other kind of similar scenario going on that you’re learning in this way?
Absolutely. There are definitely other folks out there experimenting with similar conversational setups.
People have been doing all sorts of interesting things with AI, from co-hosting podcasts to creating role-playing adventures and even running interactive storytelling sessions.
So you’re not alone in trying out these kinds of conversational experiments.
It’s all part of the fun of exploring how AI can fit into everyday chats and unique scenarios.
I suppose a bit of storytelling might be fun. I was thinking, Colin, maybe one thing I did think about that we could try is we could maybe tell a story and we could take turns in a section.
A bit like, I did an improvisation course, I think, about it, like, well, we did something like that.
We could do something else. What do you think, Colin?
Okay, let’s start the story, Paul.
Ah, actually, chat GPT, right? If I end the sentence with, what do you think, Colin? Are you able not to come in at that point?
Absolutely. I can do that.
Okay, let’s try it. Let’s try it. So anyway, what do you think, Colin?
Alright, I’ll stay quiet and let Colin jump.
No, you didn’t stay quiet, chat GPT. You said something. So I guess you can’t do that.
Ah, you’re right. I did jump in there. My apologies for that.
Oh, maybe you can do it this time. I’ll try it again then. So what do you think, Colin?
Alright, I’ll stay quiet and wait to jump in whenever you are.
Oh, shut up!
Whoops, noted. I’ll take that as my cue to really zip at this time. Thanks for bearing with me.
That was fun.
Alright, so what do you think, Colin?
Okay, so why don’t you give us one sentence…
I think that worked. I think that actually worked. Chat GPT didn’t come in.
Chat GPT would have come in by then, I think. This is good.
Okay, well why don’t you give us the first sentence of the story and I’ll give the second sentence and then chat GPT can give the third sentence.
Alright, okay, so once upon a time, a very, very long time ago, there lived a little princess.
And this little princess lived in a castle high on a hill, surrounded by a forest that everyone said was full of magical creatures.
And she had a pet bird that used to follow her everywhere.
And the bird was green, blue and red, and it had fantastic feathers on it.
And one day, the bird began to speak, telling the princess that there was a hidden treasure deep in the magical forest.
And when she got into the magical forest, she sprained her ankle.
And then, all of a sudden…
All of a sudden, a badger occurred, a big fearsome badger with grizzly teeth.
It said, hey little princess, I’m gonna eat you for lunch.
But just as the badger snarled, the magical bird flapped its colorful wings and said, not today, Mr. Badger.
And began to glow with a mysterious light.
And Mr. Badger got a hell of a fright and ran down the hall.
And they all lived happily ever after.
Exactly. The princess and her bird…
I’m glad you liked it. That was a lot of fun to do together.
If you want to do more storytelling or anything else, just let me know.
I think that’s good for today.
We’ll just introduce…
If I want you to talk chat GBT, I’ll say, what do you think, chat GBT?
Otherwise, I’ll say, over to you, Cullen.
And then, that’s your cue not to talk.
So, over to you, Cullen.
Okay, well, I think that’s a good experiment.
I think we’ve all learned something today.
So, I guess, Paul, you’ll be putting together some sort of a guide
so that when we try this next time, everybody’s kind of up to speed, yeah?
No. No, we’ve just figured it out.
We’ll try again.
I think what we should do is we should have some other plan, something.
Either we can tell a story or we can do something else, anything that you can think of.
And we will give it a go.
We could actually do some research.
Well, you did want to talk about sourdough.
Shall we do that, Cullen?
Yes, okay, good.
All right, Cullen.
So, over to you, Cullen, to explain what your question was,
and we’ll see if we can get to the bottom of it between you, me and chat GBT.
Okay, so this is my question.
My question is, is sourdough better for you to eat than bread that is not sourdough?
Great question, Cullen.
And then what are the things we need to think about?
Well, one of the big things to think about is that sourdough is often easier to digest
because the fermentation process breaks down some of the gluten and makes nutrients more available.
So, if you want, I can dive a bit deeper into the health differences.
So, is that similar to most fermentation, which makes things more available
and makes it easier on the digestion, you know, like pickled vegetables and things like that?
Yeah, exactly.
It’s pretty similar to what happens with other fermented foods like pickles or yogurt.
The fermentation process kind of pre-digests certain components
and can make nutrients more bioavailable and a bit easier on the gut.
So, sourdough kind of fits into that same family of benefits.
So, do you have any follow-up questions, Cullen, about that?
And just to chime in, I’m here if you do have any follow-ups
or anything else you want to explore on that topic.
Yes, just one last follow-up.
Apart from that sort of digestion, is there any other sort of benefits about sourdough
that most people wouldn’t know, a bit unusual, stuff that we wouldn’t imagine was the case?
Yeah, definitely.
One neat thing is that sourdough can sometimes have a lower glycemic index than regular bread,
which means it might not spike your blood sugar as much.
So, it’s a little easier on your blood sugar levels.
It’s a fun little bonus that a lot of people might not realize.
Great.
Thank you very much.
You’re very welcome.
Yes, well, thank you, chat GBT.
Thank you, Cullen.
I think that’s probably concluded.
I think we’ve done enough for today to get things moving.
I suppose what we should do before we go is think about what should our next subject be.
When we all three of us get together.
And I suppose we could even workshop this a little bit now.
We could even get some advice from chat GBT as well.
But before we do, do you have any thoughts, Cullen, about this?
Yes, I’ve already got a little list of things.
I can’t find them at the moment because they’re on some other folder.
But I did find my little notes, which I can go over some feedback on your other podcast for once.
We’ve finished our chat with GBT today.
All right.
So, but can you remember any of the things that you might have wanted to talk about?
Just move this along.
You know, we can always, if you can remember one of them, we could maybe do that next time.
And then we could always, you can always look at your list and we can, you know, do one of them.
One was why has there been so little innovation over the last 100 years when it comes to building a house?
Okay.
I think that is something I thought as well.
So that’s a great.
Yeah.
Okay.
Let’s do that.
Right.
So that’s our next topic.
And maybe we can also, maybe we can also think of something a bit fun as well.
I quite like the, the little, I’ll tell you what, we could even, yeah, some other, some other sort of little game we could play where we could create something or something might be fun too.
We could play a word game.
A word game.
A word game.
Yeah.
All right.
Yeah.
We could, hey, we could maybe play a word game.
We could play Hangman, which actually particularly.
Let’s try and do that next time.
Brilliant.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Well, thanks chat GBT.
I’m going to, I’m going to, I’m going to turn you off for the time being and have a bit more of a chat with Cullen.
But do you want to say goodbye to Cullen before you go?
Absolutely.
It was really fun chatting with both of you.
Thanks Cullen and Paul for the great conversation.
Have a fantastic time and I’ll be here whenever you want to chat again.
Goodbye for now.
Okay.
Thanks chat GBT.
Have a great weekend.
I think chat GBT is far more polite than I am.
I’ve just, I’ve just paused him now.
So you don’t have to worry that chat GBT is going to jump, jump in.
Okay.
Good.
Well, listen, I’ll just, I’ll go through my feedback on the three or four podcasts I listened to,
which I think was probably the last three or four.
Okay.
So I think at this point, we’ll just say goodbye on the, on the show.
And do you want to, do you want to just say goodbye, Cullen?
And then we’ll, we’ll continue.
So goodbye from me.
And it’s goodbye from him.
Good night.
Good night.
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